October 20, 2007

Blast from the Past

It had to happen. No matter how hard we try to progress as a society, some wise-acre has to degrade every argument into a question of race. Two years ago, Dan LeBatard of the Miami Herald questioned whether race played a role in Steve Nash's first MVP award. (I have looked, but the original article is nowhere to be found.)

The accusation was categorically dismissed by the voters and the majority of the mainstream media, as well as most NBA fans. Why? Because to the majority, Steve Nash absolutely deserved his award.

Not willing to let the issue die and focus on more relevant examples of racism in sports, a person working under the guise of "mainstream media watchdog" decided to dig up a dead horse. Jack McCallum responded, and away we went.

I won't bore anyone with the ugly details, nor will I rehash the argument I already made in the comments of the last link. I am not impressed with the arguments coming from either side, and I don't even think it should even have been brought up. That's the problem with bringing up racism - one side says that racism is inherent in our society, and the other side denies any racist (or racially reasoned) intent. Neither side will budge, and no minds are going to change . . . not when the haystack is not hiding a needle.

There is one central question posed in this whole argument. "Is it possible that race was a factor that the voters considered?"

That is a loaded question because there is only one answer. Yes - it is possible.

Mathematically speaking, any theory is possible until it is disproved. The only way for an event to be impossible is for its probability of occurrence to be measured at ZERO. So now that we have determined that it is, indeed, possible that race played a role in the 2005 MVP voting, all the nutcases get to come out of the woodwork screaming, "AH HA! I KNEW IT!"

Hold the phone there, Sparky. "Possible" does not imply "probable." It is possible that a meteor will strike the earth and destroy 75% of the species on the planet before I publish this post. It is possible that a bolt of lightning will strike your house, burst through your computer screen, and effectively lobotomize you while you read this.

The question then becomes, "How likely is it that race played a factor in the MVP voting?" That ain't spinach, Popeye. Those are worms.

Cosellout questions the integrity of the mainstream media for not attacking this issue more vehemently, further claiming that the media is responsible for sweeping potential racism under the rug. He wonders why they dismissed it so quickly.

I'll tell you why.

It is irresponsible journalism to take such an inflammatory topic and apply it to a debate regarding a meaningless award. Voters make their choices based on reasons known only to them, unless they tell us themselves. And if you ask them if race played a role in their decision, they will tell you that it did not. Case closed. No conjecture. No accusations. It is better to take a person at his word in an instance like this than to force them to defend themselves for something they did not do, however "subconsciously."

What do these people expect to do? Psychoanalyze through speculation and response? Force the voters to question their own decisions that they based on statistics, player performance, and team record with and without the player in question?

There were many valid reasons to vote for Steve Nash as MVP, not least of which is the incredible turn around the Suns experienced when he jumped on board - 33 games, good for fourth best in league history.

It is a fun debate, not an important one. To lay such an important and divisive issue on top of it is to spoil the fun of being a fan of the NBA. There are many cases of REAL racism and racial issues to discuss in sports.

The reason that this issue has no place on this topic is that there is no evidence to support the notion that race was involved in the vote. There is, however, plenty of evidence to support the reasons given by voters.

The human subconscious is not an appropriate place to look because it is not only completely out of our control, it is unprovable. That makes the argument moot. There is no reason to call into question the integrity of these people based on circumstantial evidence (white voters, white player). For that very reason, every court in the country would throw out the case if it were brought to them.

That the mainstream media glossed over this issue is not an indication that people are afraid to talk about race. On the contrary, it is an indication that they are responsible enough not to light a cigarette in a dry forest. Dan LeBatard was deservedly lambasted for even suggesting such a thing. He covers Shaquille O'Neal for a living . . . that should say something about the credibility of his argument. It is based less on reality and more on unsweetened vine fruit.

Your question has been answered, Cosellout. Now drop it before it gets ugly. We have enough to worry about in this world, and whether or not Steve Nash's whiteness won him an award is in the bottom one percent of the list. It didn't. Get over it.

You'd do more good questioning the media's refusal to point out political inconsistencies regarding the war in Iraq. Focus on their refusal to ask the really tough questions. Anything but an unprovable set of circumstances surrounding such a trivial aspect of life that the doesn't even concern the majority of the population.

You want to discuss race? Ask Al Sharpton why he has targeted Isiah Thomas, and not the entire mainstream music industry.

Nigga, please . . .

Update: I made an error in judgement. I hadn't read McCallum's full response, taking for granted that I was reading someone who takes his writing seriously. For this, I apologize to Mr. McCallum.

It seems that in Cosellout's zeal to defend himself, he committed an unpardonable sin in my book. Every quote he used from McCallum's piece was taken completely out of context. Cosellout attacked the weakest points of McCallum's argument, and he ignored the full scope of it. This is known as a strawman argument, and it is a fallacy.

It is shameful. Here we have a purported media watchdog violating basic journalistic ethics in order to discredit "real" journalists, wondering why no one is talking about this particular issue.

Here's a clue, jackass: It's called journalistic integrity.

If your goal is to change the way people think about the media, then you might want to consider exemplifying the standards to which you wish them to be held.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jey, I am posting this one response on your blog, then I will go back to Cosellout where this entire discussion began.

Your post is full of obsfuscation and slight of hand I do not know where to begin.

1. “Mathematically speaking”, no one is saying that it is absolute that Steve Nash should not have won the MVP. We are just questioning those who believe that it was absolute that he should have won it. (ie You). You can say he went to a team whose wins increased by 33, but you neglect to say that the team Nash left via free agency (ie they got nothing, zero, zilch in return) the Dallas Mavericks won 58 games without Nash, which is 8 games more than the 52 they won with him.

Obviously Nash wasn’t the MVP of the Mavericks.


2. Now let’s examine the person that Dan Lebatard thought should have won the MVP. Shaquille O’Neal. He was traded from Lakers to Heat. Lakers actually got players in return for their superstar: Lamar Odim, Caron Butler, Brian Grant + 1st Round Pick. They went from 56 wins with Shaq to 34 wins without him (-20). The Heat went from 42 wins to 59. (+17).

Net Shaq’s movement resulted in a 37 win difference and a trip to the East finals. (they lost 4-3 to Detroit who lost 4-3 to S.A.)

Nash movement resulted in 25 win difference and a trip to the West finals. (they lost 4-1 to S.A. who won 4-3 against detroit)


Given these facts why was Dan LeBatard “deservedly lambasted”. Couldn’t someone reasonably look at the above facts and conclude that Shaquille O’Neal should have been the MVP that year?

(By the way, one can delve even further into the numbers. The Suns won 44 games with Marbury in 2002-3, then traded Marbury in 2003-4 in the middle of the season. Effectively they tanked the 2003-4 season in order to get a high draft pick ,which turned out to be Amare Stoudemire)



It is a fact that Steve Nash was awarded the MVP in 2005. It, however, my opinion, and I am not alone here, that he didn’t deserve the award. Statistically, he was above average, but not outstanding. Clearly not to that standard of previous MVP award winners.

The question now is why did he win it? One explanation might be contained in the concept of “white privilege” (ie) those Niggas (talented as they may be) on the Suns needed a white “massa” to organize them and show them the way.

Forget about Shaq, what about Chauncey Billups? Do the Pistons get to the Finals without him. Or Tim Duncan, do the Spurs win the title without him?

It’s hard not to inject race into the argument when you examine the facts. Not the selective facts, like your 33 game fact, but the complete facts.

It is precisely because the media selectively used statistics to make the case for Steve Nash, and when anyone in the media, Dan LeBatard, refutes these facts throwing these same statistics back, he gets vilified. The one thing I have noticed in the Steve Nash debate is that (mostly white) media and fans get really personal in their attack when someone disagrees with them regarding Nash. Why?

I remember the Karl Malone, Jordan debate or the David Robinson, Akeem debate. It never got so personal. In fact, there was always a degree of levity to it.

I think deep down most of the Media and fans (once again, mostly white) know how absurd are Steve Nash’s two MVP’s awards. That is why they get so defensive.

In the case of you, I can understand it more, as you are a die-hard Suns fanatic. It is in the case of the broader media that I am most bothered. It is obvious that there are sportswriters who disagree with the Nash selections, but nary a one (aside from Lebatard) will speak out. Why? I guess all you have to do is to look at how LeBatard was treated to know why.

That is why the blog 'sphere is great. We don't have to be cowed by "white privilege"

Jey said...

You need to re-read what I wrote.

1. “Mathematically speaking” was in specific regards to whether or not race was a possible factor.

2. The proper comparison is between the new teams' previous record and current record (as of that season). Nash's former team had essentially the same roster, which included a future MVP. Shaq's former team received an oft-injured forward, a useless Brian Grant (his knees were already shot), and a young Caron Butler. They had an entirely new team.

What you did there, my friend, was an example of obfuscation. How dare you accuse me of such, then turn around and do it?

You believe that Shaq "should have" won it. That's fine. Make your case, just as everyone else has. But it was one of the closest MVP votes in league history. That means that voters were just as torn. Instead of giving the Nash supporters the benefit of the doubt for their argument, you dismiss it and say that racism is an acceptable argument.

That's weak.

Next time you post on my blog, leave your name or I will trash it. I was respectful enough to leave my name over there.

Jey said...

"The one thing I have noticed in the Steve Nash debate is that (mostly white) media and fans get really personal in their attack when someone disagrees with them regarding Nash. Why?"

Because people like you pulled the race card.

And don't confuse my argument for Nash with homerism. Shaq did not deserve to win the MVP that season, even though the arguments for him are statistically valid (team-wise).

Not enough people (voters) agreed with your argument. Many did, but not enough for him to win. You are completely discounting the Nash effect in favor of race. That is irresponsible and inexcusable.

But I see from your replies that you are suffering from LeBatard-syndrome. "Sour grapes" is no reason to question the integrity of all involved.

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Jey said...

Thanks for ignoring my reply.

Broken record time...

The Lakers were completely gutted after Shaq's departure. Kobe was the only hold over. They also went through two coaches in 2004.

The Mavs kept the same core group together, as well as the same head coach.

And do I have to bring up the conference disparity again?

I'm not denying that it was a "neat little story" how Nash took the league by storm. It was the second coming of the Showtime Lakers when the NBA was being defined by tough inside play.

To be sure, Nash benefited from favorable rules changes and a system which gave him complete control of the team (coach on the floor isn't an MVP credential?). He also brought fans back to the NBA, as evidenced by the league's increasing viewership and attendance (http://phan-x.blogspot.com/2007/04/thank-you-sunsthank-you.html).

And contrary to popular opinion, Nash is a wildly flashy player. I've watched his last 276 games. The dude is more Magic Johnson than John Stockton. Again...Showtime Lakers. Voters were probably sentimental for the old days after 15 years of thug ball. Shaq was doing the same ol', same ol' in Miami, while Nash was leading a basketball revolution, whether real or perceived.

If you want to look at a limited set of statistics to make your argument, that's fine. The difference is that Shaq supporters used stats as their entire case. Nash supporters used stats to back up their perception that he took over the league. Nash in Phoenix was completely different from Nash in Dallas.

The reason people like you and LeBatard try to make this a race issue is that you can't overcome that non-statistical difference in your argument. You pick the easiest argument that is also completely indefensible because it relies on a mere "possibility" (again, that mathematical speak...way to miss the point on it AGAIN).

And that is what this entire entry was about. I called you out for taking a fun debate that can go on forever because both sides have valid arguments, and turning it into something that it isn't. Worse, you indict every member of the media along the way, as well as anyone who supports Nash, effectively accusing them of latent racist behavior. THAT IS IRRESPONSIBLE.

You put people on the defensive about their own personality and integrity, just so you can side step a valid argument regarding Nash's MVP credentials. It is called a red herring, and it is a dangerous one to use.

You simplify a complex, nebulous concept (the Nash effect) into a weak, inflammatory, emotional arguments. You jumped to the conclusion that it was about "whiteness" instead of seeing what the rest of the basketball loving world saw...a flashy passer who lifted his young and inexperienced teammates to career years, storming his way to the best record in the league. He brought back fans because he reminded people of "the good old days" of the NBA.

Michael Jordan was the reason people watched the NBA in the 90s. Steve Nash is the reason people watch it now.

(Speaking of best records...why is it valid to say that Dirk deserved it for being the best player on the best team last year, but Nash didn't in 2005? Interesting how that argument got lost along the way.)

And in case you hadn't noticed...black people love Nash, too. Are they framing him into a black mold somehow?

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AllanK said...

Jey,
Thanks for tackling this thorny and complex issue. I haven't read the Cosellout item or the McCallum response, but I will when I get a chance.

For now, I'll just say that all your points make sense. Race is still highly inflammatory and for good measure. But we all have a responsibility to back up inflammatory accusations with facts and to focus on real issues. There's a long laundry list of racial intolerance, unfairness, systemic racism, etc. in this country.

To focus on racism rather than acknowledge the merits of a game-changing player, such as Nash, and all that he stands for as a stellar human being, takes away from the value that he has brought to the game. To focus on trivial possible but unprovable examples of racism, such as this, is to miss the potential to move towards real change on substantive matters of racial inequality in our society, of which there are far too many.

Racism exists. Efforts should be made to focus on it and eradicate it. This argument about potential racism in the selection of a white athlete over a black one a few years ago is pointless and does no one any good.

Jey said...

I do my part where I can.

The problem with discussing racial issues is that it's such a nuanced topic. Yet amateurs are always trying to break it down into a simple black-and-white isse as if there were a single root cause that can be eradicated.

They don't realize, and refuse to listen to any explanation, that race is a cultural concern, not a psychological one.

But this dipshit just wanted a reason to argue about that MVP vote, probably because he's still pissed off that Shaq lost.

I'm going to start calling such this practice of using social issues to argue entertainment as "the LeBatard syndrome." It's sickening how a person can presuppose intelligence and objectivity within himself, then turn and act like a five year old with his fingers in his ears.

JSun said...

You know, I read the Nash stuff (McCallum included) and then the Whitlock stuff but never realized there was some sort of cosmic irony.

Anyway, let's move on to what's important: freakish athleticism in the bedroom. To whom to you give the nod: white or black? Those Romanian gymnasts (white) are something but the Williams sisters (black) probably pack a punch. Discuss amongst yoursevles and try not to be racist about it.

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I have saved your comments on notepad, though, just in case anyone asks.

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